Displacement tonnage is the actual weight of a ship (about 52,000 tons for Titanic). "Wind", the opening poem in James Fenton's Yellow Tulips: Poems 1968-2011, was written over 30 years ago, but could be about any natural disaster or environmental crisis, and most of today's wars . One issue with this theory is that Importantly it is highly unlikely that any crew member would have foregone his pay, and no pay was ever claimed by a crewman named James Fenton. If he had been sworn to secrecy then why did he tell only one or two random individuals? J.P. Morgan and 50 others cancel passage, 25. A Garden from a Hundred Packets of Seed (2001) inventoried some of Fentons favourite plants and his philosophy on how they should be planted. Olympic's wheelhouse was not curved The ship being ready to steam was simply because they were trapped by ice and at the earliest time possible would want to continue their journey. Winning the prestigious Newdigate Prize at Oxford for his poem Our Western Furniture, Fenton seemed destined for poetic fame. According to author Mark Chirnside "In April 1912, the passenger certificate of Titanic's rescue ship Carpathia (13,603 gross tons) certified her for 2,864 passengers and crew, yet she had lifeboat accommodation (boats under davits) for 702 persons. White paint on the wreck was 60 years old at the time of the sinking, and was examined on Day 17 of the British Wreck Commissioner's Inquiry. Most died of exposure in the freezing water of the North Atlantic because there were not enough lifeboats. Dr Robert Ballard admitted it was the Olympic Patrick Fenton, who lived in Australia regularly told people that when he had worked as a seaman on the Titanic, he had witnessed an explosion on the ship which had caused it to sink, rather than the collision with the iceberg. One must also suggest - if those behind the 'switch' were so clever so as to be able to switch absolutely everything aboard Olympic/Titanic as to include the numbers 400/401 etched onto the back of wooden panels in all the state rooms (refer to point here) then how is it they would Even if that simple fact is not enough, the other alleged details regarding the Californian are being misrepresented. So technically Titanic did not "weigh" 46,328 tons - that was her gross tonnage (GT) or volume. "iceberg" (or what Gardiner believes was an "IMM rescue ship") interrupted this original plan. Accomplished through strategic, long term planning . Corrections? 'Faux' as in false or imitation. An example of the many adverts that show the Olympic instead of Titanic - logical considering one was the older sister. This is consistent with the damage previously sustained by Olympic. Could it be Also it must be noted that Titanic's dining room was It was only when she collided with an iceberg in a freak set of circumstances that she was suddenly thrust back into the media spotlight. There is photographic evidence of this being applied to Titanic, in the first week of March 1912 and which shows the stark contrast between the light grey primer and the fresh black top coat being applied, as seen below. Actual video footage of Titanic's name clearly visible on the wreck in 1987. furniture and panelling was better that the Olympic is not accurate; furnishings and paneling aboard Titanic were, with the exception of unique rooms such as the Deck plans If Titanic had lasted longer than 5 days there would almost certainly have been more accurate advertising, as we know at the time of her departure many photographs were indeed taken of her exteriors and interiors which would have been useful for further promotional material. Another set of poems was published by Fullers press as the broadsheet Put Thou Thy Tears into My Bottle (1969). It is a measurement of volume or the enclosed internal space of a ship. Firstly, the coal strike actually finished 9 days earlier on April 6, so normal traffic would have soon resumed. James Cameron had his work cut out for him when it came to getting Leonardo DiCaprio to star in "Titanic." The famed director was honored with a Hand and Footprint Ceremony at the TCL Chinese . Titanic split at the same point where the Hawke hit. ", Claim: Author of two books exposing the theory, Steve Hall, has actually admitted on camera: "I would have to say the question remains open. Interestingly, by the time of the Titanic disaster, Olympic's 14 portholes were also changed to 16 during her major refit, so in fact they were the same. Firstly, it is true that the Carpathia had a capacity of more than what the Titanic was carrying - the Carpathia was certified for more than 2800. 28. Some thus reason that the swap still took place out of business and economic necessity. 2. 46. So by April 1912 both ships had 16 portholes. She worked up to 80. 44. Without further information or documentation on this "private flat in the Wirral" -even a photograph - Was the confusion because they had been switched? and was the first national strike by coal miners in Britain, with the main goal securing a minimum wage. James Fenton | Poetry Foundation Second Class also had an open promenade on the aft end of the Boat Deck, and enclosed ones on B Deck and C Decks. Mark's." We also have a substantial amount of supporting evidence to prove that Olympic's wheelhouse was indeed curved: 1. This is true - but also should to any informed reader be completely without surprise or hint of conspiracy. 31. Or they have perhaps mistaken the front of the officer's quarters as the wheelhouse, which it is not. Frankfurt (140 miles) Norddeutscher Lloyd Line Eastbound, Galveston to Bremerhaven. Secondly, and rather importantly, the names were not engraved on the lifeboats. 23. Claim: Titanic split at the same point where the Hawke hit, revealing that it was in fact the Olympic. 7. His quote that "the question remains openI do not have enough concrete information" is from a 2004 episode named "Titanic: The Ship That Never Sank?" Thirdly, the description "numerous" is very misleading. and came to the conclusion that while elements of Fenton's background can be validated recovered from the wreck but, although in excellent condition, there was no There is no record of anyone doing so. This was the number that was given to Titanic when it was being built in Belfast, Ireland. But does this now mean we should treat with suspicion that there were "numerous" ships in the area when Titanic sank? In both cases Gardiner made this claim up! 8. During this process workers allegedly discovered the name Olympic 'carved into the gunwhales,' as 'the old name had been filled with putty and painted over.' off the bell. It mentions "Paddy the Pig" aka James Fenton. The number proves that 1. the propellers could and would not be swapped and 2. that it is Titanic. You can also purchase an audio CD of Fenton reading 18 of his best poems (12.99) (http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com). The fields are mined and the moon is bright. What is blatantly omitted in this claim is that of course - as Titanic had only just finished being fitted out and completed her sea trials and was on her maiden voyage (which only lasted 5 days), there was obviously not enough time to produce the required artwork and photographs of her. Against the forward steel wall, the faux marble fireplace with its bronze details seems in perfect condition." ", The evolution of Titanic's port side portholes -from May 1911 when she was launched with 14, to April 1912 when she had 16. Firstly, it must be considered that these images were first released in 2012 and have been examined in minute detail by hundreds if not thousands of researchers and historians since then, so why has it taken 7 years for this to have been spotted, if it is indeed unusual? Titanic researcher Ioannis Georgiou explains this particular claim: According to the book "The Ship That Never Sank" (pages 134-135) B Deck had no cabins extending to the hull as boats were visible. The fact remains, if there were such large structural differences between the ships, how is it they are not noticeable in photographs and also spotted Was this to hide 12 months worth of scratches and marks on the linoleum's surface? 1949) grew up in Lincolnshire and Staffordshire and was educated at Repton and Magdalen College, Oxford where he won the prestigious Newdigate Prize for his sonnet sequence 'Our Western Furniture'. Claim: The damage below Olympic's waterline was said to be far more serious as the super structure had warped. If he had indeed mentioned it at a presentation why did it not become substantial news at the time? 22. James J. Fenton, MD, is a pulmonologist at National Jewish Health. But please read this information first, where it clearly shows that Lloyds records do not agree with this at all. And that there were not binoculars on the Titanic? One of the ships bells was And any allegation to the contrary - of an increase - needs evidence, for which at present there is nothing but unverified speculation. Going aft he passes boat No. As will be discussed here, those that are not inaccurate, ill-researched, dubious or simply fabricated actually have very simple and logical explanations: 1. 'Titanic of the skies': The story of London's ill-fated luxury airship service to Melbourne. According to a Mirror article about Southampton entitled "The City That Lost a Generation to the Titanic Disaster" (March 24, 2012) "17,000 men were without work that April" due to the coal strike. Olympic had 16 bow portholes. In fact what evidence suggests there could possibly be ice on Titanic's rigging? as already discussed here the Olympic's damage from HMS Hawke did not exceed $125,000, and there is independent verification of this fact. Gardiner further hypothesizes that the ship that was hit by the Titanic was the one seen by the Californian firing distress rockets, and that this explains the perceived inaction of the Californian (which traditionally is seen as failing to come to the rescue of the Titanic after sighting its distress rockets). At least one of them would speak to someone, or at the very least have a deathbed confession and not one single report was ever made. Claim: Titanic had 14 bow portholes. Titanic's speed was investigated by Mark Chirnside and Samuel Halpern in their article entitled "Speed and More Speed" from which the following information is taken. And if these researchers and historians are supposedly "in" on the conspiracy then why would they release this image at all and risk the 'truth' being known? answer was to grind the names off the bells. Able Bodied Seaman Frederick Clench who was in lifeboat No. In fact all ships of the Olympic Class (i.e. (2012) which exposes the theory as being completely impossible. Proportionally less than Titanic!" 19. EXCLUSIVE: To celebrate the 25th anniversary of James Cameron 's Titanic, the multiple Oscar winner and box office phenomenon has been set for a fresh theatrical release just in time for. This misunderstanding may be one of the reasons why this particular 'theory' holds fast despite its obvious answer. We must also remember that Cameron was exploring the Millionaire Suite on B deck, which has a promenade, something that was unique to Titanic, as Olympic did not have it. Known for his erudite, politically engaged and technically masterful poems, Fenton's early engagement with Auden left a marked influence on the younger poet's verse. 11 [American Inquiry, Day 7]. something else, in this case an IMM rescue ship that was drifting with its lights out. previous 1 2 3 next sort by previous 1 2 3 next * Note: these are all the books on Goodreads for this author. Claim: Olympic could Considering the discovery of Olympic's name on the lifeboat(s) allegedly occurred at least twice, on different continents, and no doubt seen by at least several people, why there are no written accounts, sketches or photographs of at the very least the boat, let alone the discovery, should ring alarm bells in the mind of any serious researcher. The fireplace filmed in 1995 and which partly was shown in the "Titanic" movie at the beginning were actually the fireplace of sitting room B 51 which was occupied by Mrs. Cardeza and her son. So conclusively, with no 'expert' opinion required, the Olympic's damage does not match this so called 'proof.' By the time Titanic's maiden voyage came along Olympic had been operating for a year. shelved 11,906 times Showing 30 distinct works. Irish. 11. 41. Local "runners". alone did not sink Titanic, that it had a fire burning in the coal bunkers for a Above right: Titanic , while still on the stocks and while fitting out in 1911, allegedly shows that there was no similar joint in her hull plating just ahead of her port side anchor. surviving crew got to port they were all taken aside and met by two men, one Discoloured plating on Titanic Titanic was sailing a popular North Atlantic route, known to be busy at that time of year. Courtesy Steve Hall. Did they think they would just stand there and watch? NOTE: There is also an allegation in the form of 'meme' that the wreck does not match Titanic's B-deck window configuration, which is addressed in full in this point here. Fentons adaptations of the Chinese play Zhaoshi guer (The Orphan of Zhao) and Miguel de Cervantess novel Don Quixote were produced by the Royal Shakespeare Company in 2012 and 2016, respectively. Importantly, in a high position in the company, the other man was in a very high position - Able Bodied Seaman Joseph Scarrott "there was a large quantity of ice and snow on the starboard side of the foredeck Titanic's insurance was increased 5 days before sailing It is true that a list to port was observed by passengers Lawrence Beesley (in The Loss of the S.S.Titanic) and Norman Chambers (US Inquiry). Excerpt from the documentary "Titanic Breaking New Ground" when director James Cameron explores B-52 during his 1995 dive. Hence the White Star Line and their publicity agents logically used photographs of her older twin sister instead. The sea trials were simply to make sure everything worked as advertised. After a million men had walked out for 37 days the government intervened and ended the strike by passing a minimum wage law. And that was a very surreal kind of image for me too to see these little white crabs crawling around in the fireplace of the room that was commissioned for J.P.Morgan. He was predeceased by his brother Johnsey (Betty deceased, Shirley) & sister Carrie (Ray deceased). About 29 results for James Fenton's poetry masterclass. 43. Californian was not expecting rockets, but a rendezvous Fenton was born to an Anglican priest and his wife, who died when Fenton was 10. While the Sea Scouts were restoring the old life boat they discovered the name Olympic cut into the gunwhale. full speed. This would seem very odd considering the fact that people were paying for Titanic's maiden voyage and not the Olympics maiden voyage. Despite the overwhelming evidence and logic as presented in the previous page, 'switch' proponents will often raise a seemingly large number of questions, doubts, alleged inconsistencies and supposed evidence that has led some to believe the 'switch' is not only possible, but a reality. In my view it is very unlikely that the damage was more significant than was admitted at the time. Some also claim that the reason some crew did not sign up was specifically because 'the only thing that could not be made to look new were the ship's boilers, having already been used for 12 months on Olympic before the switch' and noticing this on the Belfast to Southampton crossing they decided to 'get off' at Southampton. Survivors on B Deck saw lifeboats lowered from above It is pure speculation about a 'switch' that did not happen. This should not be surprising as the wheelhouse was built during the fitting out stage and so did not exist during the launch. Patchwork and braces from Hawke collision in wreck photographs - Able Bodied Seaman Thomas Jones testified before the US Inquiry (Day 7), that he went on deck and could see some ice. The panelling used shows a number on the frame that says 401. On the wreck, what remains of the base of the wheel house (right) is clearly straight revealing it is indeed the Titanic (right image courtesy of Ghosts of the Abyss -Walt Disney Pictures and Walden Media). that when the crew joined Titanic there was [sic] rumours that the company Titanic or Olympic: Which Ship Sank? Also several other passengers such as Lady Duff Gordon and Edith Rosenbaum reported ice on the deck. For a company that has miraculously been able to switch ships including hundreds of thousands of numbers on the back of wooden panels, without anyone knowing, this seems a rather farfetched and unlikely plan. So Cameron confirms that the veins in the marble are exactly the same as in a period photograph, and the photograph he used is one of Olympic. 32. And to finally put it to rest we have a photograph of Captain Smith on Titanic's bridge on sailing day - and the wheelhouse is clearly flat behind him. They were: Californian (19 miles) a Leyland Line, Westbound London to Boston of the surviving crew. Olympic survived too long for a badly damaged ship 14. There were closer ships that would be more feasible. In fact the coal strike ended four days before Titanic sailed (April 6) so there would be an increase in opportunities for shorter crossings. It is true that there was a coal strike and this had serious repercussions for the shipping and maritime industries. The story goes that after the sinking thirteen lifeboats were recovered, taken to New York, where the name Titanic was sanded off and numbers removed to deter souvenir hunters. the game. According to the documentary "Titanic Breaking New Ground", James Cameron sends a robot submarine into the sitting room of the promenade suite on B deck and films is unfair and disingenuous at best. On the Olympic I am speaking of? The Britannic, when launched, had 16 portholes, consistent with the later port side configuration of the Titanic and the Olympic. boilers were on. There are a couple of important points to first realise. The production, which transplanted the story to the Mafia underworld of 1950s New York City, was a success, and it caught the eye of theatre producer Cameron Mackintosh, who asked him to translate the French musical Les Misrables, based on the book by Victor Hugo. were not without further incidents either, as she was involved in several more collisions including with the Nantucket Lightship LV-117, causing the lightship to break apart and sink with seven fatalities out of Nantucket's crew of eleven. and impacted on the larger open spaces dictated by a ship aiming for luxury, instead of being a watertight battleship. 17. In fact, the area of the wreck highlighted in this so-called 'evidence' has peeled away from the side of the stern so was most likely further forward on the hull than presently seen. Why would it be there? Claim: Olympic was fitted with Titanics propeller. 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